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		By: Frank Sterle Jr.		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The author of The Highly Sensitive Man writes in Chapter 1 (2019, Tom Falkenstein, pgs.11-13) : “You only have to open a magazine or newspaper, turn on your TV, or open your browser to discover an ever-growing interest in stories about being a father, being a man, or how to balance a career with a family. Many of these articles have started talking about an apparent ‘crisis of masculinity.’ The headlines for these articles attempt to address male identity, but often fall into the trap of sounding ironic and sometimes even sarcastic and critical: ‘Men in Crisis: Time to Pull Yourselves Together,’ ‘The Weaker Sex,’ ‘Crisis in Masculinity: Who is the Stronger Sex?’ and ‘Search for Identity: Super-Dads or Vain Peacocks’ are just a few examples. They all seem to agree to some extent that there is a crisis. But reading these articles one gets the impression that no one really knows how to even start dealing with the problem, let alone what a solution to it might look like. One also gets the impression from these articles that we need to keep any genuine sympathy for these ‘poor men’ in check: the patriarchy is still just too dominant to allow ourselves that luxury … 

At the same time, academics are telling us that ‘we know far less about the psychological and physical health of men than of women.’ Why is this? Michael Addis, a professor of psychology and a leading researcher into male identity and psychological health, has highlighted a deficit in our knowledge about men suffering from depression and argues that this has cultural, social, and historical roots. If we look at whether gender affects how people experience depression, how they express it, and how it&#039;s treated, it quickly becomes clear that gender has for a long time referred to women and not to men. According to Addis, this is because, socially and historically, men have been seen as the dominant group and thus representative of normal psychological health. Women have thus been understood as the nondominant group, which deviated from the norm, and they have been examined and understood from this perspective. One of the countless problems of this approach is that the experiences and specific challenges of the ‘dominant group,’ in this case men, have remained hidden. ...”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author of The Highly Sensitive Man writes in Chapter 1 (2019, Tom Falkenstein, pgs.11-13) : “You only have to open a magazine or newspaper, turn on your TV, or open your browser to discover an ever-growing interest in stories about being a father, being a man, or how to balance a career with a family. Many of these articles have started talking about an apparent ‘crisis of masculinity.’ The headlines for these articles attempt to address male identity, but often fall into the trap of sounding ironic and sometimes even sarcastic and critical: ‘Men in Crisis: Time to Pull Yourselves Together,’ ‘The Weaker Sex,’ ‘Crisis in Masculinity: Who is the Stronger Sex?’ and ‘Search for Identity: Super-Dads or Vain Peacocks’ are just a few examples. They all seem to agree to some extent that there is a crisis. But reading these articles one gets the impression that no one really knows how to even start dealing with the problem, let alone what a solution to it might look like. One also gets the impression from these articles that we need to keep any genuine sympathy for these ‘poor men’ in check: the patriarchy is still just too dominant to allow ourselves that luxury … </p>
<p>At the same time, academics are telling us that ‘we know far less about the psychological and physical health of men than of women.’ Why is this? Michael Addis, a professor of psychology and a leading researcher into male identity and psychological health, has highlighted a deficit in our knowledge about men suffering from depression and argues that this has cultural, social, and historical roots. If we look at whether gender affects how people experience depression, how they express it, and how it&#8217;s treated, it quickly becomes clear that gender has for a long time referred to women and not to men. According to Addis, this is because, socially and historically, men have been seen as the dominant group and thus representative of normal psychological health. Women have thus been understood as the nondominant group, which deviated from the norm, and they have been examined and understood from this perspective. One of the countless problems of this approach is that the experiences and specific challenges of the ‘dominant group,’ in this case men, have remained hidden. &#8230;”</p>
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		By: Frank Sterle Jr.		</title>
		<link>https://cptsdfoundation.org/2020/09/14/men-and-suicide/#comment-7222</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Sterle Jr.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2021 23:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cptsdfoundation.org/2020/09/14/men-and-suicide/#comment-2126&quot;&gt;J Bradley O&lt;/a&gt;.

Even in this day and age, there remains a mentality out there, albeit perhaps subconsciously: Men can take care of themselves, and boys are basically little men. It&#039;s the same mentality that might explain why the book Childhood Disrupted was only able to include one man among its six interviewed adult subjects, there being such a small pool of ACE-traumatized men willing to formally tell his own story of childhood abuse. Could it be evidence of a continuing subtle societal take-it-like-a-man mindset? (I&#039;ve tried more than once contacting the book&#039;s author on this matter but received no reply.)

Furthermore, I&#039;ve noticed over many years of Canadian news-media consumption that when the victims are girls their gender is readily reported as such; however, when they&#039;re boys, they&#039;re usually referred to gender-neutrally as children. It’s as though, as a news product made to sell the best, the child victims being female is somehow more shocking than if male. Also, I’ve heard and read news-media references to a 19-year-old female victim as a ‘girl’, while (in an unrelated case) a 17-year-old male perpetrator was described as a ‘man’.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cptsdfoundation.org/2020/09/14/men-and-suicide/#comment-2126">J Bradley O</a>.</p>
<p>Even in this day and age, there remains a mentality out there, albeit perhaps subconsciously: Men can take care of themselves, and boys are basically little men. It&#8217;s the same mentality that might explain why the book Childhood Disrupted was only able to include one man among its six interviewed adult subjects, there being such a small pool of ACE-traumatized men willing to formally tell his own story of childhood abuse. Could it be evidence of a continuing subtle societal take-it-like-a-man mindset? (I&#8217;ve tried more than once contacting the book&#8217;s author on this matter but received no reply.)</p>
<p>Furthermore, I&#8217;ve noticed over many years of Canadian news-media consumption that when the victims are girls their gender is readily reported as such; however, when they&#8217;re boys, they&#8217;re usually referred to gender-neutrally as children. It’s as though, as a news product made to sell the best, the child victims being female is somehow more shocking than if male. Also, I’ve heard and read news-media references to a 19-year-old female victim as a ‘girl’, while (in an unrelated case) a 17-year-old male perpetrator was described as a ‘man’.</p>
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		By: J Bradley O		</title>
		<link>https://cptsdfoundation.org/2020/09/14/men-and-suicide/#comment-2128</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cptsdfoundation.org/2020/09/14/men-and-suicide/#comment-2127&quot;&gt;Shirley Davis&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Shirley, for sharing the article. It a certainly a topic worthy if attention... and one I daresay many men wouldn&#039;t discuss without prompting. I can&#039;t speak for all men, of course, but based on the men&#039;s groups I&#039;ve attended over the years, there does seem to be a sense of loneliness and pain behind the bravado often demonstrated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cptsdfoundation.org/2020/09/14/men-and-suicide/#comment-2127">Shirley Davis</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Shirley, for sharing the article. It a certainly a topic worthy if attention&#8230; and one I daresay many men wouldn&#8217;t discuss without prompting. I can&#8217;t speak for all men, of course, but based on the men&#8217;s groups I&#8217;ve attended over the years, there does seem to be a sense of loneliness and pain behind the bravado often demonstrated.</p>
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		By: Shirley Davis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2020 15:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://cptsdfoundation.org/2020/09/14/men-and-suicide/#comment-2126&quot;&gt;J Bradley O&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your comment. Being a woman I can only imagine what it is like for men. I&#039;m glad you added this helpful input. Shirley]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://cptsdfoundation.org/2020/09/14/men-and-suicide/#comment-2126">J Bradley O</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment. Being a woman I can only imagine what it is like for men. I&#8217;m glad you added this helpful input. Shirley</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2020 15:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As someone in a male body who has most of the risk factors and cycles through phases of morbid depression, I&#039;d like to add a couple things to the list of prevention measures. 5. Provide a safe, non-judgmental, open-hearted space allowing men to talk about whatever they consider important. Feelings or fishing, doesn&#039;t matter. 6. Find ways to communicate, if only by calm, quiet, receptive attention, that they are OK, that their existence matters, that their contribution, in whatever context, is appreciated.  At least, that&#039;s what I&#039;ve always wanted and almost never get. Certain gender roles may be traditionally considered a man&#039;s &quot;job and duty&quot; and &quot;just what it means to be a man&quot; to the world at large and to those we love and care about, but being noticed and appreciated for those contributions communicates that we are something more than a tool or a meal ticket to be taken for granted. After all, women aren&#039;t the only ones who can feel used. Like Chris Rock so eloquently said (at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHT04FxDTtY, starting at 1:18, TW-profanity), &quot;Even good daddy&#039;s aren&#039;t appreciated for anything. You thank your momma for everything. What does daddy get? The big piece of chicken.&quot; Hmm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone in a male body who has most of the risk factors and cycles through phases of morbid depression, I&#8217;d like to add a couple things to the list of prevention measures. 5. Provide a safe, non-judgmental, open-hearted space allowing men to talk about whatever they consider important. Feelings or fishing, doesn&#8217;t matter. 6. Find ways to communicate, if only by calm, quiet, receptive attention, that they are OK, that their existence matters, that their contribution, in whatever context, is appreciated.  At least, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve always wanted and almost never get. Certain gender roles may be traditionally considered a man&#8217;s &#8220;job and duty&#8221; and &#8220;just what it means to be a man&#8221; to the world at large and to those we love and care about, but being noticed and appreciated for those contributions communicates that we are something more than a tool or a meal ticket to be taken for granted. After all, women aren&#8217;t the only ones who can feel used. Like Chris Rock so eloquently said (at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHT04FxDTtY" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHT04FxDTtY</a>, starting at 1:18, TW-profanity), &#8220;Even good daddy&#8217;s aren&#8217;t appreciated for anything. You thank your momma for everything. What does daddy get? The big piece of chicken.&#8221; Hmm.</p>
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		By: Abigail Wenderson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2020 13:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All the reason mentioned above acts as a vicious circle leading to suicides.

Finanaces, relationships,bullying, unemployment all these life surviving factors are more or less interconnected and hardly discussed upon. When things are smooth its fine, however when life shows you ups and downs the imbalance in the above factors leads to depression and other issues.

I feel when things are fine, proper attention needs to be given to these life suruving assets and qualities. This attention needs to be given by family, work colleagues, friends, doctor etc. The process needs a change. Once the gaps in the process is addressed, m sure the result will also be more positive leading to decrease in this sort of action being taken by that particular individual.

To All, Dont lose hope ever.... Anyone who wants to talk... M here to listen as a listener always...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the reason mentioned above acts as a vicious circle leading to suicides.</p>
<p>Finanaces, relationships,bullying, unemployment all these life surviving factors are more or less interconnected and hardly discussed upon. When things are smooth its fine, however when life shows you ups and downs the imbalance in the above factors leads to depression and other issues.</p>
<p>I feel when things are fine, proper attention needs to be given to these life suruving assets and qualities. This attention needs to be given by family, work colleagues, friends, doctor etc. The process needs a change. Once the gaps in the process is addressed, m sure the result will also be more positive leading to decrease in this sort of action being taken by that particular individual.</p>
<p>To All, Dont lose hope ever&#8230;. Anyone who wants to talk&#8230; M here to listen as a listener always&#8230;</p>
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